She Had Never Promoted a Product in Nearly 200 Episodes. Then This Happened.

Two days after recording an interview with 4RBEES co-founders Brent Knudsen and Jake Cunningham, Michelle Dutro noticed the PureWave Cell sitting on her counter.

 

She had been dealing with a persistent issue affecting both ears for more than a month. Remembering what Brent and Jake had shared during their conversation, Michelle decided to try the Cell for herself.

 

She gently moved it near each ear for approximately five minutes and went to bed.

 

The next morning, everything had changed.

 

The improvement continued the following day, and the day after that.

 

“My personal experience is nuts,” Michelle shared. “Truly.”

 

For nearly 200 episodes of The Game Changer Podcast, Michelle had never promoted a product.

 

This experience changed that.

 

“This episode is worth a listen,” she said. “It was a complete game changer for me.”

 

Why Michelle’s Reaction Matters

 

Michelle Dutro has spent more than 25 years working in biofeedback and wellness. She is an Air Force veteran, former firefighter, certified biofeedback specialist, and founder of a 20-acre retreat center in Julian, California.

 

Through The Game Changer Podcast, Michelle explores the intersection of health, purpose, and performance. Her work helps people understand how their environment, nervous system, physical well-being, and life choices are deeply connected.

 

Michelle began her biofeedback career with Jake Cunningham by her side more than 25 years ago. Their shared background gave her a unique perspective as Jake and Brent explained how their work with frequency, magnetism, and sacred geometry eventually led them to the honeybees.

 

For the first time in the history of her podcast, Michelle welcomed two guests at once.

 

As the conversation unfolded, it became easy to understand why both voices belonged there.

 

What Can a Rosebush Teach Us About the Bees?

 

One of the most powerful moments in the interview came from Michelle’s own vineyard.

 

At the end of each row of grapevines, rosebushes have been planted as early indicators. The roses reveal subtle environmental changes before those changes reach the grapes, giving the grower an opportunity to pay attention and care for the entire vineyard.

 

Michelle immediately saw the connection.

 

Honeybees offer us a similar message.

 

Their health reflects the health of the environment we all share. When we listen to what the bees are showing us, we gain an opportunity to strengthen the larger ecosystem that supports our food, our families, and our future.

 

The bees are more than pollinators. They are messengers.

 

And 4RBEES is listening.

 

From Mathematics to a Worldwide Mission

 

Brent’s journey began with mathematics, algorithms, and a fascination with the geometric patterns found throughout nature.

 

That curiosity led him away from the corporate world and into years of research on sacred geometry, frequency, magnetism, and living systems.

 

Along the way, he met Jake, whose family had already spent decades working with wellness, biofeedback, and frequency-based technologies.

 

Together, they began exploring how Brent’s research could support honeybees.

 

The PureWave Cell grew from that work.

 

Inside each Cell are 12 powerful neodymium magnets arranged in a precise geometric pattern. Together, they create an omnidirectional magnetic field extending approximately 12 inches around the Cell. It works continuously without electricity or batteries.

 

When PureWave Cells were placed inside beehives, the results inspired Brent and Jake to keep going.

 

That early work eventually led to a three-year peer-reviewed study led by Dr. Magda Havas. The study documented higher overwinter survival, increased honey production, fewer queen replacements, and calmer behavior in the PureWave hives.

 

Michelle had one question:

 

If the environment surrounding a hive can help bees thrive, what else becomes possible when we create more supportive environments for ourselves?

 

The answer became far more personal than she expected.

 

A Mission That Grows With Every Cell

 

4RBEES was created as a mission-based company with a clear purpose: support the beekeepers who care for the bees.

 

Participating research beekeepers receive PureWave Cells at no cost. They place the Cells in designated hives, maintain comparable control hives, and share regular observations that help expand the research.

 

Every purchase helps 4RBEES reach more beekeepers, support more hives, and grow a worldwide community centered around environmental wellness.

 

Michelle immediately understood the larger impact.

 

“Everybody benefits. Everybody wins.”

 

She plans to introduce PureWave Cells into her retreat center and explore how they complement the biofeedback technology, wellness tools, and restorative environment she has already created for her guests.

 

“If you come to the retreat center, you’re going to have one under your pillow,” she shared.

 

Viewers Felt the Message

 

The conversation also resonated with Michelle’s audience.

 

“Nature always teaches us 🌎✨,” one viewer wrote.

 

“Protecting bees matters 💚,” shared another.

 

A third viewer celebrated learning more about “ecological resilience.”

 

Those reactions reflect something beautiful about this episode. It invites us to see the bees, our environment, and our own well-being as part of one interconnected story.

 

Every hive supported creates another opportunity.

 

Every beekeeper empowered helps the mission grow.

 

Every person who shares the message carries that hope a little farther.

 

The Answer Is Already in Nature

 

Michelle ends every episode by asking her guest one meaningful question:

 

“What is one thing that you absolutely believe to be true?”

 

Brent’s answer captured the spirit of the entire conversation.

 

“When you slow down and pay attention to how nature works, whatever you seek in answers, it’s there.”

 

Nature is always communicating. The patterns are present in flowers, honeycombs, snowflakes, cells, and the quiet intelligence of the hive.

 

When we create space to observe them, we begin to recognize how much wisdom has been surrounding us all along.

 

Brent left Michelle and her listeners with one final reminder:

 

“Take heart and relax. Nature always wins.”

 

Michelle called this episode a complete game changer.

 

Once you hear the conversation and discover what happened afterward, you may understand exactly why.

 

Watch the full interview on The Game Changer Podcast

 

One environment. One mission. One future.